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You Just Can't Win

Tingley speak up about their heavy defeat last weekend and we ask for your opinions and experiences in our latest footy log (FLOG!).

You may or may not have had your eye caught by the story we ran, last week, about Leeds Carnegie Reserves' mammoth goal tally of 31 goals. They scored them against Tingley Athletic, in the West Riding County FA Cup. You may not have known that Tingley are a well run club, that play in the West Riding F.A. County League, Division 2. You probably, unless you are from that area and/or are connected to one of the teams in that league, wouldn't know that Tingley put eight past West Leeds LFC in October and notched up 18 goals against Amaranth LFC on Valentine's Day. I doubt Amaranth felt much love for that soreline.

We reported that County Cup match's outcome, and noted the scorers (some of which are England youth players and starred in Leeds' Premier League Cup win), because it was newsworthy and therefore it was news. Whenever there is a winning team, there is a losing team too. They don't often get the chance to give their side of the story. So, we realise our part in that, apologise and hold our hands up (and put them over our mouths) to let Tingley's magnanimous coach do the talking....

 

"On Sunday 28th February 2010 Tingley Athletic Ladies faced the mammoth task, in their first season in women's football, of playing the might of Leeds Carnegie in the West Riding Women's County Cup.  With a mixture of first team, reserve and young ex Centre of Excellence players Leeds Carnegie were always going to be a formidable force. 

"The game as expected was dominated from start to finish by Leeds Carnegie with the result ending 31 - 0.  The class of England players Carla Cantrell & Rachel Daly was evident and supported by professional performances from the rest of the squad Leeds Carnegie were light years ahead of Tingley Athletic Ladies in ability.  However, to their credit Tingley Athletic Ladies competed enthusiastically against their superior opposition for the majority of the game with only the last 15 minutes being a bit of a walk in the park for Leeds Carnegie, when Tingley's enthusiasm for the fight beginning to wane.

"In terms of a game of football this game was a mismatch from the start but Tingley Athletic Ladies turned up, competed and played the full 90 minutes when so many other teams would have forfeited the game without kicking a ball."

Vince Chapman
Coach
Tingley Athletic Ladies

 

Leeds had a game to play, turned up, played within the rules and didn't patronise their opposition. They won but there were people who felt it unfair to treat opposition like that. It does seem, sometimes, like you just can't win.

We'd love to hear your views on big scorelines, painful defeats, the unity of effort when your eight players fight valiantly against 11 (plus subs, just to rub salt into the wound), whether teams should be so ruthless, how the women's game pits enthusiastic novices against international stars, something you just wouldn't see in the men's game. Is this a good or a bad thing? Germany beat Argentina 11-0 in the opening game of the FIFA Women's World Cup in 2007, the Chinese and Germans in the crowd loved it but everyone else watched through their hands, as they covered their eyes in horror. Can there be a right way to hammer 20 past the opposition?

I've scored the opener in an 11-0 win and not felt too much remorse, been proud of team mates for keeping on going when Charlton and Arsenal have banged in eight against us and sworn I was quitting the game - out of self-disgust - when Liverpool netted five (I didn't).

It takes two teams for a game of football, it's always worth remembering.

 

Pop us an email at info@shekicks.net or post your comments below and we'll carry on the debate in the coming weeks....

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Comment by Dave A
Posted 14th March 2010 at 21:24pm
Seems a shame that the Leeds team "Reserves" didn't have many reserves in it. Shame that Leeds had to put in 1st team players and England players to progress into next round.
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Comment by Glennk
Posted 10th March 2010 at 13:25pm
Been thinking (novel sensation)about the Tingley affair and it prompted the following. I think that there is a distinct limit to the amount of fun that either side can have in a 31-0 game. I think that there are serious issues here that can have a detrimental impact on girl's continued participation in the game. What we need is mature and frank debate about those issues. Teenage years see a high drop out rate for girls in all sports. It must be very discouraging to be on the end of these beatings. The point of all this is that there is a serious discussion to be had about whether the present structure especially lower down the ladder is what is needed to help girls to get into and stay in the game. There are lots of things about football culuture that act against girls. As a small example it is an OK thing for lads to go out into the park for a kick about. Girls don't and it takes a pretty competent, confident and tough girl to get involved in a lads' kick about. Not the place where a girl beginner would be comfortable. As we can see from the posts above girls teams often struggle to get out full sides. It takes someone quite exceptional to be enthused playing in a team that can't put out a full side and is getting hammered every week. English male football is often criticised for too early and too strong an emphasis on full sided competitive games. Perhaps it is time for women to consider whether they are making the same mistake
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Comment by Emma P
Posted 09th March 2010 at 11:49am
I have to say I never feel particularly bad when my team thrashes any opposition. Likewise, I don't expect any letting up when my team is getting battered. That's just how football goes really. What is frustrating is when you can't field a full side for a big match, or when ALL your most important players are otherwise engaged. Still, the other team can't be expected to compensate for it. What I don't like though, is a poor attitude on the part of the winning team. My depleted team took on the league leaders a fw weeks ago, and we were down to 8 players at one point due to illness and injury. The opposition were about 5-0 up with 10 minutes to go and were actually laughing at my team's predicament and making such comments as "Why don't we just go home now? They probably still couldn't score!" Getting high-horsey when you have a 3-woman advantage is a bit sad really, isn't it? One of their strikers then kneed me in the face after I'd made a fairly easy save (I should point out that I had both hands on the ball,) and instead of apologizing profusely for temporarily bliding me (and indeed giving me something of a concussion,) she complained to the ref that he'd disallowed the goal she'd scored after I'd let go of the ball to check my eye was sitll in its socket. She was lucky to still be on the pitch as far as I'm concerned. That HAS to fall into the category of poor sportmanship, doesn't it? Still, miracles can happen; winning a match on a team of eight against 11 ranks as one of my favourite moments ever.
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Comment by Jess P
Posted 09th March 2010 at 10:14am
I don't like it when teams think it's funny when they are beating you by lots of goals. Some players on my team are not as good but they try hard and when teams send up defenders and the goalkeeper to try and score a penalty it's not fair. Players should think how they would feel.
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Comment by The Furry Penguin
Posted 09th March 2010 at 09:01am
My new team... Tingley Athletic! Regardless of the outcome! I read the news piece about the 31-0 drubbing on SheKicks.net last week and I wanted to know more! I found there website and even decided to register for their online newsletter. I'm already planning Monday morning to check the result Nostell on Sunday. The reason Tingley are my new team is because in this age of news about players scandals, goal-line technology and the Women's Super League. All I really want for Xmas is football! 11 vs 11. Two contestants prepared to go into battle regardless of the odds, the conditions or from what I've heard poor refereeing. (It should have only be 28-0! - Only joking :)) On a serious side. Its about getting stuck in with your mates. Regardless of the outcome. Its about enjoying yourself, and realising how lucky you (we) are to play this wonderful game, regardless of the outcome. And, its about putting on the shirt. Playing your heart out for the team, the club, your mates and the community, regardless of the outcome. And that's why Tingley are my new team. Have a good week... The fury Penguin.

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